tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2369697807155792089.post8442283195562895116..comments2023-09-30T11:31:38.232-04:00Comments on Practical Polyamory™: Fox's Morning Show with Mike and Juliet Gives Open Marriage Nay Sayers Last WordAnita Wagner Illighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07083649751515838086noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2369697807155792089.post-90934957230957256282008-10-09T20:44:00.000-04:002008-10-09T20:44:00.000-04:00Frankly, I was pretty unhappy with the hosts of th...Frankly, I was pretty unhappy with the hosts of the show and the format. A standard debate format is to give the first person their say, have someone challenge it, then allow opportunity for rebuttal. Talk shows do not do this, they leave the final word for the challenger with no opportunity for the original person to explain, contradict, or educate.<BR/><BR/>It is a well-known psychological phenomenon that people tend to believe the last thing they hear, so what the uneducated will take away from this show is that it's only a matter of time before Jenny's marriage blows up in her pretty little face and that "all open marriages fail" sooner or later, with absolutely no one to stand up and say "hey, therapists only see the ones that fail in the first place". There was no one there to do any educating on statistics and sample populations and the scientific method to refute the so-called expert.<BR/><BR/>I found this show to be highly irresponsible "journalism" and I blogged about it in my own journal <A HREF="http://joreth.livejournal.com/107488.html" REL="nofollow">http://joreth.livejournal.com/107488.html</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2369697807155792089.post-85412875177604713522008-10-09T13:32:00.000-04:002008-10-09T13:32:00.000-04:00Note: After posting my response to Ms. Huddy I no...Note: After posting my response to Ms. Huddy I now see that for some unknown reason Blogger only just sent me her comment for approval, though apparently she wrote it on September 26, the day after the open marriage segment aired. It was not my intention to refuse to publish her comment and in fact did so as soon as it was received.Anita Wagner Illighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07083649751515838086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2369697807155792089.post-49398150950223424502008-10-09T13:25:00.000-04:002008-10-09T13:25:00.000-04:00Ms. Huddy, I can understand your anger and your de...Ms. Huddy, I can understand your anger and your desire to defend your producers. Perhaps in your pique you did not notice that the same day the open marriage segment aired I added an amendment to the very top of the post that says that when asked to make the entire segment available instead of only the anti-open marriage portion of it, your producers agreed to do so. There was no reason for me to believe that the duties as to what goes up on your website would be left in the hands of someone who was not up to the task. Impressions count for a lot, and for whatever reason, the failure to include both sides of the story gave a very poor one. <BR/><BR/>Also, unfortunately for you and your show, Fox has a well-established reputation for leaning to the right. My perception is founded in reality and not on stereotype. There is plenty of data to illustrate that Fox has a vested interest in not offending the conservative base that represents the majority of its viewers. When one then factors in that anything other than life-long, heterosexual, one man/one woman marriage is considered contemptible by social conservatives, there is absolutely no reason for me to believe that your show is somehow exempt. You may not like being judged by the company you keep, but it is a fact of life. That said, based on the information you have provided I am willing to accept that it is possible that not all Fox programming is the same. I’m happy for the update and your defense of your producers, but in truth what is unknown here is to what extent your programming is controlled by Fox executives. <BR/><BR/>Fox’s intentions would have been a lot more clear had Dr. Kirschner not been given the last word. Many psychologists think they know all there is to know about open relationships and are only too happy to speak on the subject for pay, lack of knowledge notwithstanding. In fact, there exists amongst untrained therapists an inexperience-based bias against open relationships because all they see are people for whom it isn't working. People for whom it is working don’t seek them out, so their "knowledge" is based on a flawed and incomplete perspective. It is entirely untrue that failure is inevitable in open relationships. I know many, many couples for whom it works and works well, and as they learn and implement the relationship skills required, there are more of those all the time. Your show ended by giving quite a different impression without asking Jenny Block or any other person for their response. As such, I stand by my criticism of that aspect of the show. <BR/><BR/>I appreciate that there was interest in the subject, and should that interest continue, I'd be happy to assist your producers to be sure that any future treatment of it achieves their goal of being genuinely fair and complete.Anita Wagner Illighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07083649751515838086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2369697807155792089.post-45718302493716240682008-10-09T12:01:00.000-04:002008-10-09T12:01:00.000-04:00As the host of the show you just maligned, I'd lik...As the host of the show you just maligned, I'd like to respond to your accusations. Suggesting my colleagues are inserting their political leanings into the content of our show is not only offensive, it's wrong. Suggesting they lack integrity is also offensive, and WRONG.<BR/><BR/>The 'missing segment' you're referring to was a mistake made by a young webmaster, it's as simple as that. There was no strategy to eliminate your "side"; there was no conspiracy. It was an oversight and it was corrected immediately. <BR/><BR/>Our producers came up with this topic because they felt it was worthy of discussion. They worked hours trying to find a fair balance, and they achieved that goal. Mike and I both agree it's a fantastic, interesting, worthy subject to discuss. <BR/><BR/>The only one who lacks integrity...<BR/><BR/>Well, let's just say it's easy to buy into stereotypes ("Of course, this is Fox we're talking about here"). It's also real simple pick up a phone and get the facts. Your sneering comments about Fox and our fantastic, fair producers are inane. Fox gave you an outlet to air your side, which Jenny did quite eloquently. Do your homework and quit insulting my colleagues.Juliet Huddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16268798703467744047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2369697807155792089.post-68140814851056380912008-09-26T20:46:00.000-04:002008-09-26T20:46:00.000-04:00While I think that what the show did was a shame, ...While I think that what the show did was a shame, I think it was a mistake for you to decline to help the show find a couple for whom an open marriage did not work.<BR/><BR/>What I think you should have done would have been to find a couple who determined that open marriage did not work for them, but still believe that open marriage could potentially work for other people. This would have portrayed open marriage as I'm sure you know it to be: a good option for some but not something for everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2369697807155792089.post-12799810633693438182008-09-26T10:23:00.000-04:002008-09-26T10:23:00.000-04:00They did end the show on the "did not" work side, ...They did end the show on the "did not" work side, but Jenny got a good segment in. It's all good - I am sure a lot of viewers now see there are at least 4 options: be happy mono (as lots are), repress yourself, cheat, or ... talk and open the relationship. Also, people who already identify as poly going into relationships as a poly person. xoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2369697807155792089.post-75699711993235135732008-09-26T07:48:00.000-04:002008-09-26T07:48:00.000-04:00Hi Anita!The first half of the show, with Jenny, i...Hi Anita!<BR/><BR/>The first half of the show, with Jenny, is indeed on the Morning Show website, but it's a bit hard to find. Here's the URL:<BR/>http://www.mandjshow.com/videos/inside-open-marriages/<BR/><BR/>Alan M.Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16008171792811719945noreply@blogger.com